World's Scorn Turns to Bridal Shop That Spurned Lesbian Bride
Somers Point bridal-salon owner facing the brunt over flap with lesbian customer.
Inside the walls of the bridal store Here Comes the Bride in Somers Point, it is impossible to sense the swirling uproar an exchange between the owner and a would-be customer has set off around the world through the Internet and the media—unless you pay attention to the phone.
The phone rings incessantly.
As the unanswered phone rings and rings, walk-in customers pass by a wall of notes, pictures and thank-yous, including a 2003 certificate from The Press of Atlantic City newspaper proclaiming Here Comes the Bride as one of the best bridal stores in the region.
Over the nonstop din of the phone, the shop’s owner helps a bride with a Disney-inspired dress, greets a window-shopping female minister intent on marrying (though no one has asked) and also a parade of other local customers all oblivious to the raging digital and media firestorm.
But sometimes Donna Saber, the Somers Point store’s owner, has a moment without a customer. Then she answers the phone. As soon as she picks up the phone, the controversy is apparent.
If it isn’t some member of the media calling for an interview—news outfits from London, Canada, ABC, the Los Angeles Times and on and on—then it is someone calling to berate, curse or threaten her.
Bitch. Bigot. A brick is coming. The store will burn.
Saber’s heard them all, again and again. If she had time, the more than 700 unread emails flooding her inbox would repeat and expand on the comments and media requests she’s already heard.
Sometimes, though, callers instead praise Saber.
Those callers tell her it is about time someone stood up and spoke out against same-sex marriage, as she did when questioning a prospective dress buyer who listed a female partner—rather than a male groom—on an order-tracking form.
All of the details and nuances of how this incident erupted depends on whom you ask.
But everyone agrees the controversy started simply and with no real incident two weekends ago.
That’s when a young woman named Alix Genter, of Highland Park, NJ, along with family and friends, went wedding dress shopping at Here Comes the Bride, a shop not far from where Genter’s family summers in Ventnor, a beach town adjacent to Atlantic City.
By all accounts, the outing went something like an episode of TLC’s Say Yes to the Dress, though Genter’s party was asked not to eat in the store and she was told not to copy down the style number of the dress.
Despite those two incidents, Genter, a Rutgers University graduate student studying for a doctorate in history focusing on “butch-femme lesbian culture,” who declined to be interviewed in-person or by phone, said in an email that she’d had a “lovely day” dress shopping.
Through about two hours of shopping and trying on about six dresses, Genter finally focused on a $875 dropped-waist strapless gown with a pleated organza bodice leading to a taffeta skirt covered with hand-made rosettes and ruffles.
Genter and Saber agree they both worried the skirt felt too heavy for dancing. Saber planned to follow-up with a call to the maker to see if a lighter version of the dress was possible.
Before leaving the store, Genter filled out a brief form with information about the dress, her contact information and a space for a groom’s name. On the form, Genter checked a box indicating Saber had been “helpful and courteous” before leaving the store.
Saber contends it was not until the following Tuesday, during a phone call placed by Saber to Genter, that she noticed the title “groom” was crossed out, “partner” was written in, and the name Alison filled the blank.
That’s about where agreement about the details diverge.
Here’s a portion of what Genter said happened:
“Donna called me to follow up about a particular dress and noticed that I had amended her information sheet (crossed out "groom" and wrote "partner") while on the phone with me ... and after telling me that my being gay was 'wrong,' 'a shame,' and that she would not work with me, later called me back to further express her opinion that it was illegal. ...
“All through these interactions, I remained calm, even though I had started crying, and informed her that she was a bigot and that her refusal to work with me was discrimination. To be confronted with such explicit prejudice and discrimination during what should be one of the happiest times in my life—planning my wedding—was shocking and hurtful.”
While there is no tape of these conversations, there is a brief voicemail left by Saber that refers to Genter’s marital plan as an “illegal action.” (New Jersey, while not allowing gay marriage, does have civil unions. However, Genter plans to marry in New York, which recently legalized same-sex marriage.)
Genter declined to answer follow-up questions, even by email.
Saber’s account of what happened is less cohesive.
Her explanation is filled with tangential references to the death of Navy Seals shot down in Afghanistan, the deaths of seven local youth killed on the same day in two recent highway accidents, her perception that her pet rabbit is saddened by those highway deaths and several oblique religious homilies.
At one point, Saber, a member of a Reformed Jewish congregation who began an interview by saying she “likes the Bible, I like religion” and also said she ecumenically attends Christmas Eve services, asked a reporter if he knows the Catholic bishop in the region, suggesting some sort of ritual should be performed to drive out the evil she senses led to those highway deaths.
Asked to articulate how her references to religion and tragic highway deaths relate to the dress incident, Saber falters, unable to explain.
An employee who works part-time in the shop is at a loss to interpret Saber’s non sequitur responses, saying she’d never heard Saber discuss religion until the last few days. The employee attributes it to stress.
Standing in the front of the bridal store, Saber says she first noticed the crossed out title of groom and written in term partner while “talking out loud” with Genter.
But precisely what she said after that is unclear: Saber said Genter called her a “bigot” repeatedly and said somehow she found herself at the end of the conversation when Genter hung up standing at the back of the store.
“That’s all I remember. I defended myself. She put me on the defensive. All she had to do was be a decent human being and call back and say I’m not getting married in New Jersey,” Saber said.
But the phone tiff wasn’t the end of it.
Next came the Internet flaming followed by massive media attention.
On Aug. 16, Genter posted the following comments on Yelp, a Web-based review site:
Donna, the woman in charge at Here Comes the Bride, refused to sell me a dress because I am gay.
After spending a day trying on dresses with my family and friends, she called me to say that she didn’t realize I was gay and would not work with me because that’s “wrong.” She also said she was shocked because my family and I seemed so nice, and that my being gay is a “shame.” Then, presumably to counter my accusation of discrimination, she said that what I am doing is illegal and she does not engage in illegal activity. I guess she is unaware that civil unions are legal in NJ (where her store is) and same-sex marriage is legal in NY (where I am getting married), and that anyone should be able to buy a wedding dress if they’d like, even if they’re single and just want to dress up at home by themselves.
Please do not support this bigot. She is a rude, judgmental, self-righteous homophobe, and from what I’ve read in other reviews, her bigotry does not stop at gay people. Her listing on Merchant Circle has complaints of racism, ageism, and other forms of degradation and harassment.
Two days later, Philadelphia Daily News columnist Ronnie Polaneczky, a former editor of the defunct Atlantic City Magazine, interviewed Saber by phone and wrote a piece about the incident.
Played on the front of the tabloid, the column turned viral.
Yelp soon had 900 some negative comments about the bridal store before the site started trimming the most offensive.
And there were also hundreds of regurgitated accounts in the media, most without any original reporting, simply a rehash of information in the opinion column or a mention with a link.
“They seem to be able to attack my mere talking, to have my beliefs attacked and told my beliefs are archaic and told I need to get into the 21st century. Who is this? The KGB?” Saber said a few days later as the phone rang and rang.
Saber said she has helped brides whom she assumed were gay, including a woman who came in for tailoring of a man’s suit she’d bought elsewhere, but she said Genter is the first person who made a point of her gender orientation.
“I don’t ask. It’s none of my business. I think she was looking for something, she was looking. As far as I know, we try and treat each race and gender the same.
“I’m concerned about evil and so much hate being focused. I’m concerned about the concentration of hate. I find it appalling that someone who hates name-calling...” Saber trails off, without finishing the thought, shaking her head no when asked what else she had intended to say.
“I have the freedom to have my own religious beliefs. The shop is about love,” she says.
Saber still hopes Genter might return to buy the dress.
Genter’s email says that will not happen.
Duffer
7:14 am on Thursday, August 25, 2011
I applaud the store owner. Its a private business...they should be able to serve whom ever they want and let the chips fall where they may.
Big thumbs down to the people putting her down for her intolerance. Do they even realize how intolerant they themselves are being???
Bill Jones
11:11 am on Thursday, August 25, 2011
That is the dumbest comment I've read in a long while.
So, Duffer, you believe that you should walk into a place of business and the owner of that business has a right to degrade and dehumanize and discriminate against you because you are who you are???
Your homo-hate is showing. It's vile and ugly. You probably are, as well.
Brianna Lynn
9:33 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
But if someone refused to provide their services to you because of race, I bet you wouldn't think that's okay.
butch
10:07 am on Thursday, August 25, 2011
Ocean City New Jersey and Somers Point are filled with ignorant, backward people and I am not surprised that this incident took place in this area. The bride should take her business elsewhere - why give this woman in Somers Point your business? There are plenty of places in this economy who would welcome a customer with open arms and not judge them for their choices.
ginger
1:51 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011
What makes Ocean City and Somers Point more "ignorant" and "backward" than the rest of the world? We welcome visitors to our area year after year and they keep coming back, much like Alix Genter's family has been doing in Ventnor. If we were so detestable, I doubt they'd keep coming back. There are plenty of other wonderful places in the area to buy a wedding dress, but please don't generalize about the people around here based on this one merchant's awful decision. We're really not that bad :D
Ginger Hayes
5:33 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011
Different ginger btw.. I always post as ginger Hayes
Kirk Hastings
10:47 am on Thursday, August 25, 2011
It sounds to me like it is the lesbian customer who is rude, judgmental, and self-righteous. She's also the one filled with hate for whoever disagrees with her. Sounds like a heterophobe to me.
Bill Jones
11:12 am on Thursday, August 25, 2011
Another dumb comment from another ignorant bigot.
Be proud of yourself today.
Phil
11:53 am on Thursday, August 25, 2011
Actually, she's not a "private business", she's open to the general public for the purchasing of wedding related items. HCTB must, under NJ state law, serve all public customers, regardless of age, sex, race and sexual orientation, http://www.nj.gov/lps/dcr/law.html. Ms. Saber is clearly in violation of this. While same-sex marriages are not recognized by the state, they are not "illegal". The Daily News article pointed out that they were to go and get married in NY, apply for a civil union in NJ, and have a reception in Pennsylvania. Nothing in that is "illegal". Those of you trying to defend the business owner need to understand that any place that is open to the general public cannot discriminate which is what has happened here.
happycamper
12:28 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011
whenever I read about a discrimination like this, it really doesn't matter to me what the discrimination is, I always wonder why folks don't just move on with their life . . . your time is so valuable, to waste any time with someone who is clearly not going to work for you, just move on . . . and have a great wedding day!
Duffer
8:41 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011
Bingo. So many people go thru life just looking for reasons to be offended. Waa Waa Waa. Someone doesn't like me. Waa Waa Waa. Get over it.
Michael Crook
8:43 am on Friday, August 26, 2011
This business owner stood up for what is right. Alix Genter is just stomping her feet and pouting because she didn't get her way. http://theblog.michaelcrook.org/2011/08/these-are-true-american-heroes.html
Brianna Lynn
9:35 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Because she didn't get her way? I'd be stomping and pouting if I couldn't buy the wedding dress I wanted for my marriage to the woman I love. It wasn't because she didn't get her way, it was because she was being denied of her rights. There's a difference.
Kevin
2:50 pm on Friday, August 26, 2011
Give me a break with these "the owner was right" comments. You people must be the most ignorant people on the planet. What if the local grocery store refused to serve you because you're Christians? Bunch of backward hipocrites. Go back to watching Fox News. The rest of the country (and world, for that matter) doesn't want or need you.
Jeremiah Wright
8:12 am on Saturday, August 27, 2011
Kevin watches Al Sharpton on MSNBC. You know Al, a so-called "reverend" who led a pogrom against the Jews of Crown Heights in 1991. Sadly, Yankel Rosenbaum could not be reached for comment on Al's new hosting gig. You say what Kevin?
Kevin
10:08 am on Saturday, August 27, 2011
I say, "What an insightful, relevant posting Jeremiah!" Can't wait to hear your no-doubt equally non-biased views on Obama's birth certificate and/or climate change and/or how Jesus hated gays/minorities/the poor.
DTK
7:59 pm on Friday, August 26, 2011
sigh...... why am I not surprised???? I hope this self righteous business owner posts a sign out front declaring her views so that unsuspecting customers know where she stands..... so they don't waste their time shopping there.......
Kelly Deeney- Lambert
8:51 pm on Friday, August 26, 2011
She has done this for years! I know first hand..... Many things came to mind when I read this. Her Hate and how she stood suddenly behind her Religion to justify it-(as if the people who knew her then couldn't tell a few storys about HER!!!!!!!!!!
Duffer
11:52 am on Saturday, August 27, 2011
Personally, I would have sold to her but would have charged the special tax I reserve for people I don't like. Might cost her an extra 25% I'll sell to anyone so long as their money is green but If I don't like you I quote high.
Think about that before you act ignorant to a car sales person, contractor or anyone else who sets their own prices for the products or services they offer.
Abby
9:04 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Kevin, no one commenting said they were Christians. While I agree with the ignorance of the "owner was right" argument, your Christian-hate is showing, darling.
Stop the hate, people. Let others live their lives.
And if you own a damn bridal shop, be happy you're making a sale in this economy, 800+ for a dress you'll wear once, good lord.
Brianna Lynn
9:29 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
As a 15 year old gay teen living in Ocean City, I find what the store owner did ridiculous. All she wanted was a wedding dress, and money is money, so who really cares who is making the purchase? I think it's discrimination, and as a teenager, I think that adults like Donna Saber are the reason why today's teens are so full of hate towards being different, specifically being gay.
"Dear, America. When you tell Gay Americans that they can’t serve their country openly, or marry the person that they love, your telling that to kids too. Don’t be f*cking shocked and wonder where all these bullies are coming from that are torturing young kids and driving them to kill themselves because they’re different. They learned it from watching you." -Sarah Silverman
If the adults of America were more peaceful towards the gay people, the number of teenage suicides might lessen. Why does no one understand that? For every adult who says they are anti-gay, there are many children who hear it and are influenced by it, which causes bullying, and suicides. Everyone needs to stop with the hate.
Kevin
10:17 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Dear Brianna Lynn,
I love you. I only hope my daughters (ages 2 years and four months) grow up to be as strong and intelligent as you.
Abby, You're right. My assumption that the posters of the hateful comments towards gays are Christians is hateful in itself. Unfortunately, I was raised Christian and I can only speak from experience. And that experience is that "being a Christian" in today's society means "intolerant, ignorant, and hateful" in most cases. I'm sure if you polled the hateful respondents on this thread, they's ALL consider themselves Christian.
Brianna Lynn
12:39 am on Wednesday, August 31, 2011
Kevin - thank you very much. I'm sure your children will grow up to be wonderful people. Hopefully, by the time they're my age, the world's view on people who are different will change.
Abby - No, maybe not all of these anti-gay comments are from Christians, but I'm sure that the majority of them are. It's extremely unfortunate that Christians are viewed the way they are, because not all Christians have the same interpretation of their religion. Society isn't basing their views of Christians off of nothing though. A few years ago I was going to a Christian church with my best friend, and when they found out I was gay, the churchgoers were full of hatred toward me. Yes, me, a 15 year old girl only trying to believe in her religion. What I noticed about Christians in the time I went to that church is that they are judgmental people who think they're perfect. But no one is perfect. No religion is perfect. I've decided that I don't have a religion. I believe in God, and I believe that God loves me exactly how I am. I believe that God doesn't "hate" anyone, and neither should anyone else, but to face the truth of today's Christians, they are hateful, anti-gay people. However, I still love and appreciate all of them, because they are people, and all people should be loved. And yes, I'm sure a lot of people on here commenting hateful things ARE Christians, who say "gay" is against God and the bible.
but...
Leviticus 19:27 says "no haircuts" and I guess we're ignoring that one.